Meet The Founders And Mission

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I am Dr. Eva Asamoah. Um, our business is Kettlebox Fitness. We're located in Sterling, Virginia, and we really serve anyone who has a fitness goal, um, whether that be they're just starting their journey and they wanna start to build strength, or they're further along, they're more experienced, but wanna kinda step it up. Um, and our sort of s- sweet spot demographic is probably, like, more middle age, 40, 50s, 60s. Um, I have a sweet spot for women who are in that, you know, perimenopausal, menopausal age group. But we have clients as young as... 26 is our youngest member. Our oldest member is 65. So it's really anyone who, who wants to come and, uh, get a good workout and kind of transform themselves. Awesome. Great. And I'm Chijioke Asamoah. So, um, Kettlebox Fitness is a passion of ours. We started that just this recently, this past year, um, but have been growing ever since here in the Sterling, Virginia area. Awesome. I can't wait to learn a little bit more. Yeah. So you both came from very different professional backgrounds. What was the journey that led each of you into... I'm so sorry. I just realized I still have the music going You got those young ears. I didn't even hear any of that. Did you hear- Now I hear it. I heard it, but I, I didn't know if it was from another place or something. Oh my gosh. I'm like, I heard a little in the background. You got good ears. Yeah, background music. Okay No problem. I'll just continue with our first question. So you both came from different professional backgrounds. What was the journey that led each of you into fitness, wellness, and eventually creating and opening Kettlebells Fitness together? So yeah, so my background is in orthopedic surgery medicine, and Njoki's background is finance. But behind that was just our own commitment to our fitness journey and to being healthy. So even back, I remember when I was in medical school, I was exercising and also using it as an outlet.

From Surgery And Finance To Fitness

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Like I, I think sometimes people underestimate the mental health portion of, of exercise and moving your body. So practically I enjoy helping people. That's kind of what my calling is. Um, the first part of my life I was fixing people, operating on them. And then as I kind of matured through that journey, I had young children at home, I just wanted to really dive into other parts of me, other passions that I really love. Love fitness, love nutrition, love helping people. And so it made sense for kind of this half of my life to dive into, into that part. Really brings me joy and I feel like I can reach more people this way and have more of a transformative effect on people's lives for decades, so that was kind of my journey. Yeah. And so for me, I spent my career in finance, really as an investor, and I had been in the fitness world formerly I'm a Division I player, so played football in college and always held onto this fitness as a strong part of my background. But then I was an investor and I invested in a fitness business, and I saw from an impact perspective that there's more we could do and so now partnering with my wife to have an impact on the community feels so much more special than anything that I've done before in my past. Awesome. Yeah, it's nice that you guys were able to invest in a business like this and create something that, you know, the community can be a part of, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. That creation part is important because- Yeah we went the franchise route before- Mm-hmm and said, I wanted to really create something that reflected what I know works- Mm-hmm and what I feel like people need. Yeah. And it's kind of like the total package, so that's why we kind of just created this idea of Kettlebells on our own non- on our own non-franchise- Mm-hmm sort of, uh, idea. Yeah. And then you mentioned that you like to describe Kettlebells as a boutique fitness experience. What makes that approach kind of different than a traditional gym or a large group fitness environment? I can go into it. Well- Yeah I love spas and I love working out, and I don't love a lot of people around me. Mm-hmm. Um, I think it can be a little distracting. And I'm also, A very detail-oriented person. So putting those two things, those, all those things together, when you walk into Kettlebox,

Why They Built A Non Franchise Gym

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it feels light and open and new and clean, like a spa. There's a vibe, so that's your first impression. And that automatically selects for a certain type of person. So that's number one. And then number two, it's a smaller group fitness class that feels almost like one-on-one personal training. The class is no bigger than 12 people, and so I can dial in on form. If Nancy is more advanced, I can progress her. If Jessica is more... is a new- a beginner, then I can dial in on her form. And so I think our clients feel like they have-- there's a personal touch. We know everyone by name. Mm-hmm. You don't come to our gym if you wanna get lost in a group fitness class and blend in, 'cause it's not that sort of place. Each of our members knows each other's name, so that's where the community component comes in. Um, so that's really, I think, the differentiating factor. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I-- For us, fitness is personal, and we- Yeah wanna make it personal for those f- folks who come in. So even in the small group setting, you still feel like you have a one-on-one connection with Eva and I and our other trainers who are there as well. So it's important for us to keep that f- community feeling, that personal feeling. Yeah. Yeah. It's nice how you're able to make a connection with each of your members, 'cause I know- Yeah. In like the larger group fitness classes, it's kind of like you see the instructor, but you don't really get to know them that well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can add one more thing, is that what sets us apart also is our focus on nutrition and food. Because really, the order of things is nutrition first, then fitness, you know? Mm-hmm. For so many reasons, in that order. And so with the smaller group model, I know what people are eating for breakfast. I can say, "Oh, Seren had rice cakes for her pre-workout." Like it's very dialed in. Mm-hmm. And so the small numbers

Boutique Training With Personal Coaching

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help us to be more effective also. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And then k- kind of tying into that nutrition focus, your transformation program is, you know, one of your big programs there. What does that journey look like for members, and why do you feel like nutrition, sleep, stress management, and accountability are just as important as exercise? Yeah. Uh, transformation program, it's our flagship program, as you called out. Uh, the journey for the member who's going through that program, it's really whether you're on the 90-day or 12-week plan or a six-month plan, it's really us taking you from wherever

Nutrition First And Small Group Precision

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you're at, we always say we like to meet you where you're at, and building the tools that help you, not just from a nutritional perspective, but also from a strength perspective. So people come to us with goals. Sometimes we help refine those goals, and then we really dial in on what's necessary for you to grow from, in terms of understanding and knowledge on what you're putting in your body- Mm-hmm and then how to grow in the actual workout setting. Form and technique are huge for us, so we dial in on that as well. But yeah. Yeah. I think specifically for the transformation program, unlike our other memberships, has a built-in customized meal plan that is macro based, so macronutrient based

Inside The Transformation Program Deep Dive

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on what the goals are for the client. And so this member is coming in, not necessarily because they have a lot of weight loss to happen. They might wanna put on muscle. They may already be fit, but have they need help understanding how to eat. You know, it's like these lifestyle changes. Mm-hmm. And so they get this whole nutritional framework, a specific meal plan customized to them. They get regular, um, InBody comp- body composition testing, so it's a deep dive. I tell folks when I'm interviewing them for this, that I'ma get up in all your business. You know, like, I'ma know how many hours you sleep. I'ma know what your kids are doing, what your spouse, what, uh, you know, what work is doing, 'cause all of this affects what your body is doing. And so it's a deep dive- Yeah into the transformation that that member is seeking, and then when they come out of the program, they have a whole framework around how to eat, how to fuel, how to sleep- Mm-hmm how to listen to their body. It's a very deep dive, so I love it. Mm-hmm. I love it. Yeah. And that's interesting because a lot of people don't know that there are so many different components that go into- Yeah like transforming your body. Yeah. Yeah. And that's key for this perimenopausal, menopausal female population, where things can really feel out of whack. Mm-hmm. And it's like I help them control the things that we can control so that their body responds in a more controlled fashion during this crazy time, you know? Yeah. Yeah, that tying into that one of my questions was about, um, navig- helping women navigate perimenopause, menopause, and their body composition changes. Yeah. What are some of the most important things women should understand about strength training and muscle as they age? Well, I think it's first debunking these myths that we've been told are fact, you know? That, like,

Perimenopause Strength Training And Muscle

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your metabolism just decreases once you're over 40. That's happened, but you have control over that process. If you keep on muscle, you can 100% improve and increase your metabolism. And we see it with real data from the InBody when our women come in and men, they put on more muscle, their metabolism goes up. So that's why we're very much data and results oriented. Mm-hmm. So number one, you have control over metabolism. I think muscle is the fountain of youth. And so the more muscle that we can put on is protective for bone health is protective for cardiovascular health, for metabolism all these things. And just also it makes you look strong. Yeah. And then you're also stronger. It prevents injury. So muscle is important. In this age group, we were taught that cardio was the way to go, just burn as many calories as you can. Mm-hmm. And cardio is secondary. At best, it helps with a little bit of weight loss, but it's improving your metabolism so that you're just burning more calories at rest. It's putting on muscle. That's the approach that's, that is the most important. So that's what we really drive. Yeah. Like, lift heavy weights, eat enough food- eat enough protein, and that's how you age gracefully. Mm-hmm we've also been told that food is the enemy. Like, don't eat. Under eat. People would be surprised by how much food I- I eat more than my husband. You know, 'cause you have to fuel the body. When you fuel the body, then it can le- it can get leaner. If you're not fueling it, it holds onto fat as a stress response. You get that stubborn belly fat. You c- you know? And so proper fueling is important. All of the macros, carbs, protein, fat- Putting on muscle, and then that's how you, that's how you gracefully a- Yeah age. Yeah. You know? Yeah, I was gonna say, I notice that when I am working out more, I get hungrier. Yeah. Like, I need to eat more, so. Yeah. Yeah, and then looking at the fitness industry as a whole, what trends are you both seeing right now that you believe are genuinely helping people, and what trends do you think people should be a little bit more cautious about? Yeah. Uh, the industry continues to evolve and change. Um, one of the trends we're seeing now is this push towards strength training. So we always talk about in decades, uh, you know, when you're in your 20s and 30s, you see a lot of the HIIT workouts and everybody saying, "Hey, you gotta go really fast, really hard, HIIT workouts." Now we're seeing

Helpful Trends And Hype To Avoid

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folks catch on to this, "Hey, strength training is important." So you see even some of these HIIT-focused franchises trying to create a strength program. And so we're seeing that, and we're like, "Well, we, we're, we're here already." We, we understand, uh, the market, but so we are seeing that trend. The other thing is this trend towards finding specialized places to work out, like a Kettlebox versus the big box gym. You know, you can name any number of large fitness facilities. People are starting to say, "Hey, are there specialized areas where we can find out how to use a kettlebell, how to really focus and dial in on our nutrition?" So we're seeing a lot of that, which is helps the boutique industry, especially our, us, because we have, uh, spent our careers kind of, like, really focused on that area. Awesome. Can I add something? Yeah. I think with social media- I think there's also this trend to, like, do things that are so extreme. You know, like- Mm you see these workouts and people just look so- Mm it's so extra. And then people save it and they're like, "I should have... I should be able to do that." And then that's just not realistic. So that trend of, like, trying to find the next best exercise or- Mm all you need are pretty much five basic compound exercises that have been present for hundreds of years, people were doing back in the, in, you know, Ancient Greeks- Mm Greek. And so it's, it's sticking to that. And while we do use kettlebells because it helps with some functional movement and flow, we also use regular free weights, and we use the kettlebell just to, as normal strengthening tools, you know? Mm-hmm. Um, so it's just sticking to just the, the classic exercises, and that's how you change. It doesn't have to be complicated. Mm-hmm. 'Cause that also keeps people from just in- from starting- Yeah 'cause it feels so far out of reach. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then it's also a- these diet trends. You know, anything that is super restrictive is just not necessary for the average person. So my approach is that you, we, we approach nutrition in the way that once you get to whatever goal you wanna get to, that's the same nutrition you're gonna keep for the rest of your life. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So if it's not intermittent fasting, if you can't do that for 40 years, don't try it. If you can't cut out carbs for 40 years, don't do it. Um, and then also the, the semaglutides, the, um, the GLP, sorry. Yeah. Um, that's a trend that I think is, is a s- is great, and I think it's great heading in that direction where we're having some medications, um, because being overweight and obese is more than just about eating too much. Mm. Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. Um, there are pathways that need to be rewired in people, um, and they need some help with that. And so there shouldn't be any shame around taking any medications. So that's a trend that I love. Like, medication plus lifestyle changes plus fitness is the way to go- Yeah for, for some, for some folks. Okay. And then with people that struggle with, like, an all-or-nothing mindset, um, how do you help your members develop sustainable habits instead of, um, like, the quick fix? Yeah. Mm. Um, I think leading by example. And so I'll tell members, you know, Monday through Friday I'm pretty much locked in, but then on a Saturday class I'll be like, "Oh, yeah, I can't wait to have my burger and fries tonight." You know? Giving people permission, um, is a big, is a big thing. Um,

Breaking The All Or Nothing Cycle

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letting folks know that when you think about this process as for the rest of your life, then there's nothing that's all or nothing in life. Yeah. You know? And so, you know, give yourself a week off where you go on vacation. Mm. Don't feel bad, any guilt, any emotion around it. Um, and then just jump back in, um- That's a lot of the work we do is repr- programming people's mindset around that. Like, it's just a continuous flow. Mm-hmm. You know? And even with my own health journey, um, I did some bodybuilding for some period of time and my diet was very restrictive and I got very lean. And it's like you can't stay like that forever. Mm-hmm. So then you put on some body fat and you live there for a bit, and then you wanna sh- cut fat again. You do that. So that's what it is all about, you know? Yeah. Ups and downs, and then the average is a steady state. Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. I, I love the comment about really just dialing in and understanding that you can take time off. I think for a lot of guys, myself included, I love a quick fix kind of, I'm gonna go hard for 21 days and then I'm off for 45 days. Yeah. And then back hard again for 21. Understanding that you gotta get to a sustainable path where you're not going super hard for 21 days and then falling off. Mm-hmm. You're like, you've got a moderate level that you can keep for 40 years, as you said. Yeah, yeah. P- pick a workout schedule, whether it be three days or four days, that you can sustain instead of starting off six days a week. Mm-hmm. We get members like that also. "I'm gonna come in Monday through Saturday." No, don't do that 'cause then you fall off and then you feel bad. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And then you don't show up, you know? Yeah. Just ease into it and just- Mm-hmm stay right here. Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. Three to four days. Yeah, building like a strong foundation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then you also mentioned that fitness coaching often becomes part education, part accountability, and then sometimes even part therapy. What have you guys learned about the emotional side of helping people transform their health? Yeah. I'll, I'll start- Mm-hmm and then pass to you. I, I think part therapy, sometimes even both ways, right? Um- Mm I think the emotional side is, look, as I mentioned on the outset, fitness is personal. Um, when we talk about eating habits, all of these things are impacted by

The Emotional Side Of Health Coaching

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your day-to-day life and the struggles that you're going through. We, we like to say life is life-ing for a lot of people. And so the therapeutic side of fitness coaching is really you're helping people not just get through a problem, but understand how to reach their next goal. So you're on both sen- both ends of it, right? Solving the problem and then attacking what's ahead. Um, and so for me personally, I think the biggest part from a personal standpoint is that you can see members who are actually feeling better about themselves. Mm-hmm. Right? And so you can see that journey that's just taking place within them. Whether they've got the muscle gain yet or not, they're just feeling more confident, and I think that's our role. That's our role. Yeah. I think food is also so complicated. Mm-hmm. Like, the drivers to, to why people eat is so personal and individual- Mm-hmm and time dependent. Yeah. You know? And so we really have to dive into that with people. Um, and then some people it's the opposite. They don't have any desire to eat, you know? And it's like, "Why don't you..." You know? Like, so food is s- itself is just so multifactorial, so that's a whole therapy and deep dive situation with people. Mm-hmm. Um, I came up with a member just this week about, you know, like self-sabotaging. You know? It's just, it's just so complicated. But, and so w- in that regard, it's very emotional because you, we really are, like, diving deep into people's personal lives. And not every member requires that- Yeah or has that, you know? But for those who are in the transformation program, for it to be effective, we kinda have to, like, really dive in. And then we get emotionally invested in people's results also. Mm-hmm. Everyone gets on this body composition scale every month, and so it holds the member accountable, but it holds us accountable also. Am I programming your nutrition correctly? Am I setting you up to succeed in class with your form and am I encouraging you to lift heavier so that we build muscle? So it's an evaluation f- of everyone. Yeah. So it, it feels very emotional from us and for them, and we want them to, like- Succeed to succeed. Yeah. You know? Yeah. That's awesome. And the fact that, like, you guys are so emotionally invested means that, you know, the, your members trust you and, like- Yeah you, you're really taking that time to get to know them. Yeah. So it's nice that you're able to personalize each member's experience for them. Yeah. And what are some of the most rewarding transformations that you've witnessed, not only in the physical sense, but in terms of confidence, mindset, and quality of life? Mm. Oh, there's so many. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the, the obvious... Well, not the obvious, but the obvious one is the kind of the data that changes. Mm-hmm. For me, it's so rewarding because I'm obsessed with muscle. Mm-hmm. When I see someone who was under-muscled, like a very underweight

Wins That Go Beyond The Scale

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woman who has trouble, like, reaching into her shel- like, reaching up, you know, into a cabinet or something. Mm-hmm. Um, it's most rewarding to me when I see her put on muscle on the body composition scale, and then she's able to lift a weight up above her head that she couldn't do before. So that's super rewarding. Um, it's also the non-data stuff. So, like, for my women who can't sleep at night, I'm able to sleep better. You know? Why? Because you're eating more. You're actually being more energetic throughout the day. Your hormones are balancing out. Like, all these things that muscle does for you and just eating does for you, that carbs do for you. Like, um, so that's a big indicator. They're sleeping better, and then their clothes are fitting better. Um, and someone at work said, "My face looks thinner." You know, like that part of it. And then just to see people, the mindset shift of they come into a class- thinking that they're w- that they're weak. Mm-hmm. I always tell the women especially, "You're stronger than so then on their own, without me having to prompt them, they're lifting, they're picking up- Mm a bigger weight. I'm like, "Okay." Yeah. You know? Like- that's exciting. They're realizing that they're so much stronger than they thought that they were. Yeah. Mm-hmm. They're looking in the mirror at themselves now- Mm and checking their form, where before their eyes were down at the ground. They wouldn't even look at themselves in the mirror. We have mirrors all around. So, like, those, like, confidence boosters and, like, the, all the, the women and the men finding their strength. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I j- I'm just, I'm obsessed with it. It's- Mm it's so rewarding. Yeah. For my fellows out there, I mean, the big thing for me is guys get strong all the time, and they know, "Hey, I gotta get stronger." But it's when they can do it consistently- Yeah and keep coming back- Mm and then really start shedding those pounds as well- Mm. Mm-hmm that for me is like, okay, this is a win. Because I know the guys are gonna try to lift heavy, but it's like you keep coming back and doing- Mm more and more each time. So it's, it's rewarding for me to see it, both the women and men who are- Mm-hmm Mm doing pushups. They come in, I... We put them all through fit assessments when they come, before they start, so nice 30-minute fit assessment just to see where you're at. Can't do a pushup, maybe can only do one, and then 30, 45 days in, they're banging out pushups and like, "I've never done this in my life." Mm-hmm. I mean, that's, that's really rewarding to see. Yeah. And it must feel amazing, like, to watch that progress too. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And I wanted to talk about the community. So community is a big part of what you guys have built. What's it like watching members form friendships, support systems- Mm and connections both inside and outside the gym? You know, it's interesting 'cause I, um- My profession has me in front of people and teaching people or caring for them, but I'm actually naturally a bit introspective, like int- you know? Mm-hmm. Or introverted rather. And this whole experience has, A,

Community Bonds And Family Friendly Culture

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made me more extroverted, and has really like given me f- like faith in like human beings. Mm-hmm. You know? 'Cause like the climate that we live in, you feel like everyone's disconnected and different. Mm-hmm. And our community is very diverse. Mm-hmm. Like age ethnicity- socioeconomic, all the things. And at the heart of, at the core of it, we're all still very similar. And everyone encourages each other. It really brings out the best in people when they're in the most kind of vulnerable- Yeah self-conscious, situation sort of. You know? Mm-hmm. Like, "Can I do this move? I'm learning it for the first time. There are people around me." Mm-hmm. Um, so the community part has been huge. Like, we have members who have just met in class, they go out to coffee. Mm-hmm. We love seeing that. We have community events. Like this weekend we're having a community barbecue, and- Mm-hmm um, everyone, they just, we just, they buy into it. Yeah. And it's very organic. I think people who even feel like they're more antisocial or introverted, they end up, Y- you can't help but become a part of it. Yeah. Yeah. I think just to add to that from a community perspective, I've seen folks... We're in the DMV area, so government contracting- Mm-hmm all of that is huge. Cyber security. I've seen folks connect on professional levels as well. Mm-hmm. Um, and then if I take it to the other extreme, it's those who are caring for aging parents or maybe have lost a loved one, our community has come and rallied together for them as well. And this is just in a short time. Mm-hmm. And I, I feel like these bonds are strengthened because our small group setting really works well. Yeah. Um, but we've seen it happen, yeah, just in a short time. Yeah. That's beautiful. And how about members bringing in like family members? Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Couples. Uh, many married couples who join together- Mm then they bring in a brother-in-law, a sister-in-law. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. We have members who have young children and, you know, maybe they'll, they have to come to class and, you know- Mm. it's like we're, that's all fine. Yeah. We have children who are sometimes in the gym. Mm-hmm. So it's a really family-oriented, friendly space. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I love that. And as you continue growing Kettleblocks Fitness, what are you guys most excited about in the future? I would say impacting more lives. I can see it in the membership base we have today, but we have the ability and the opportunity now to do so much more. We'll continue to get into new areas of fitness for us and where we think our strengths, but it's just the ability to impact more lives. We talk a lot about growing Kettlebox, the next location. What's the next iteration of Kettlebox? But

What’s Next For Kettlebox Fitness

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I think at the core of it, it's impacting more lives. I think that's what God is calling us to do right now. Mm-hmm. And I see it taking place right there in Sterling. Yeah. I, um, I'm excited about exploring, um, or branching out into, like, more of the medicine of, the medical part of obesity- Mm. Mm-hmm and incorporating that. Right now we approach lifestyle, nutrition, and fitness, but, like we talked about, peptides and medications. Um, I'm a board-certified orthopedic surgeon, and so I want to bring, the medicine into- Mm into the brand also, to treat people in that way. Because some people like I said, the wiring just needs a little bit of, alteration, alterate- Yeah. Alter- Alterations. Alterations. Change, you know? Yeah, we'll take it. We'll take it. Help, assistance. Yep. Um, to really get to the next level. Mm-hmm. Um, and so I'm excited to bring that component into the gym. Awesome. Yeah. And for anyone that wants to improve their strength, health, confidence, or overall wellness, where can they learn more about Kettlebox Fitness and connect with you guys? Sure. So I'll give you our website first and then tell you exactly where we are. So they can reach us on the internet at kettleboxsterling.com. Um, and then we're located right there at Cascades Overlook, um, in Sterling, Virginia. So right next to the Harris Teeter, that's what we always tell everybody in Sterling. But they can come right in there and

Where To Find Them And Final Push

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book a free fitness consultation with us where we talk about their goals and really share the, share with them our strategy to help them win and succeed. So yeah, whether you come to us directly or you find us online we're available. We're here. Yeah. And we're open, unlike other gyms. We're open from 6:15, doors are open until 7:00 PM. Yeah. Awesome. So we're always manned. Did you talk about social media? Uh, yeah. Let me give you our- Instagram? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Instagram. Instagram. Kettlebox_Fitness is- Yeah is our Instagram handle. We show our workouts if you wanna just see like, "What would I be getting myself into?" Yeah. Um, the workouts are there. We have some testimonials. Mm-hmm. Um, you can follow me at dreevamd. Mm-hmm. On Instagram I give pretty much all nutrition, fitness- Oh, yeah um, educational content around the fitness journey also. Okay. Awesome. So lots of places to find you guys. Mm-hmm. Yep. And as we wrap up, is there anything you'd like to add that I haven't touched on today? I think, um, for anyone who is sort of on the fence, um, you know that you need a change, but you just, you feel like you need some guidance. There's just so much information out there. I would say, number one, just dive in, just dive in. And you, you can check us out, but, you know, just find a place where you feel comfortable and where you feel like you can stay for the long haul, and I think that is how you get set up for success. Yeah, I think I tell people in the gym that it's getting out of your comfort zone- in so many ways, like mentally, emotionally, physically. That's where the change happens when you get- Yeah uncomfortable. So you just gotta just sort of dive in- Yeah and just go for it, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Did you have anything you wanted to add? Yeah. I, I would just say, and one of the things I always tell people is imagine yourself 90 days from now. Imagine yourself with the body, the feeling, the confidence that you are looking for. You'll be telling yourself, "Why didn't I start earlier?" And so I'm always saying, "Picture that future self, visualize it, and then manifest it," and you can do that at Kettlebox. Mm-hmm. Awesome. Yeah, some people need that, just that little extra push- Just a little nudge to get out there. Yeah. Yeah. But thank you so much, Dr. Eva and Chijioke, for joining me on the podcast and sharing your knowledge, passion, and inspiring story with us. I wish you the very best in all that comes your way in the future. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It was a pleasure. Yeah.