Speaker 1: 0:31

I'm Patrick Harters. I am a landscape lighting designer, so the name of my company is Dayloom for my design installation side, and about 15 years ago I started a manufacturing company because I didn't like the products out there, so that's Sterling Lighting based in Danville, virginia. So we make custom landscape lighting fixtures down in Danville.

Speaker 2: 0:50

Okay, I love it. Now you transitioned from a corporate background to founding Daylum and Sterling Lighting. What inspired this shift and how did your previous experiences shape your approach to lighting design?

Speaker 1: 1:04

years. Then I came up and cleaned up a franchise. It was supposed to be a three-year commitment, turned into like an eight to 10-year commitment and then in 2011, I left that, started my own landscape lighting design company, didn't like the products out there, started my own manufacturing company. So I got to learn a lot from the franchise world. But it was a different world for custom design and I loved. I'm a lighting designer at heart. I do manufacturing because the products weren't good, but I'm a lighting designer at heart and a franchise system is more cookie cutter. Where you know, I believe in custom design and seeing the art and beauty in lighting.

Speaker 2: 1:45

I love that, thank you. And then the name Dayloom is beautifully evocative. What's the story behind the name and how does it reflect your design philosophy?

Speaker 1: 1:54

So we started. I was in light and lighting for years and then, as we grew, we moved to Virginia beach, opened a location down there. We looked around and there could be some trademark issues, and so we said, if we're ever going to rebrand, let's do it. And that was about two, three years ago. We rebranded to day loom.

Speaker 1: 2:11

We looked at every name and it's all taken up because there's theatrical lighting, landscape lighting, landscape lighting, lighting is everywhere, photography, lighting so everything's been trademarked and so we really wanted something different. And the idea is when you get that perfect sunset night and everybody's just sitting back and enjoying it and then, once the sun sets, everybody goes inside, and so we wanted the idea of extending the evening and that lingering time where just a place for people to gather. So that's why our slogans are designing togetherness, designing good night. So we're trying to create that backyard feel so people could gather, can enjoy each other's company and they feel comfortable. As you know, we're surrounded by lighting right now. Lighting changes the mood, changes the look and, if it's done right, makes people feel very comfortable, and so that's what we want to do is create spaces that are just comfortable, warm, inviting and really allow families to linger together, for guests to come over and create that space. So that was the name Dayloom came about from that whole process of trying to figure out what's a great name.

Speaker 2: 3:15

That's awesome and I saw online on your pictures like the befores and afters and it actually is incredible because I think I'm so used to seeing neighborhoods being dark that I didn't realize the difference of when they're lit up real nice and like you can see where you're walking. You can see the walkway. Tell me a little bit how you've been able to change people's lives and I know that sounds crazy. It's like, oh, we're so used to seeing neighborhoods being really dark and not well lit up.

Speaker 2: 3:37

What are some of the changes and impact that you've been able to do?

Speaker 1: 3:40

For most people. Most of my customers tell me it's their favorite home improvement project because it changes. When they come pulling up the driveway or pulling up around the corner, all of a sudden their house is lit up at night. It's done responsibly, so we're not having light going into the sky, we're protecting the night sky, but it creates that warm, welcoming feeling to a house. And in the backyard same thing, where people just they have the pool built and if it gets dark everybody goes inside. And most people build a pool because they want their grandkids to come over. You know family. They want to have that come-on-over home that everybody goes to. That's right. Lighting design is something that a lot of people take for granted and they don't think about. And we focus a lot on lighting design.

Speaker 1: 4:21

So you know we've won a lot of awards and we actually host a lot of lighting training programs.

Speaker 1: 4:27

And we're getting ready. In about six months we're at myself and Alpha Theory of Deco. She's, I think, the number one lighting designer in the world. We're hosting an event with 100 lighting designers in Greece, and so we're teaching lighting design and really elevating the industry. So we just think it's really important to look at lighting. When it's done responsibly, when it's done well, it creates a mood and atmosphere and we can take away the distractions. During the daytime there's distractions everywhere. At night we could focus the eyes. So you know, being in photography, it's usually the photographers that really understand lighting. When they come out and see our scenes, they see our focal points, our composition, how we're setting the light levels, and they just get it right away. The high CRI, the great light quality, yes, and so those are all things, as a lighting designer, we focus on, and most people don't notice it until they see it. They go to a nice restaurant and they sit down and they say why does it feel comfortable in here? And it's usually the lighting.

Speaker 2: 5:22

That's incredible right.

Speaker 1: 5:23

Yes, and so it's that way with you know, when we're sitting in a set and we're putting lights on, it's the little shifts in lighting is what makes a difference, and so we just bring that on the outside. We create that space, and it's paying attention to those little details hiding light source, quality of light, setting the composition and focal points and directing the eye.

Speaker 2: 5:42

Absolutely. I love it. And now let's see landscape. Lighting often requires a blend of artistry and engineering. What has been one of the most creatively challenging projects that you've undertaken, and how did you overcome those challenges?

Speaker 1: 5:56

Probably the hardest one was we won the commercial project of the year. It was the Barnes and Wolf Trap in Vienna and the owner of the facility didn't want scallops. So typically with lighting, when you have a light source, it produces some type of scallop or the light doesn't travel well. So we had to figure out a way to have the light be even on the bottom but then travel all the way up the barn. So I had my team of engineers. We sat down for about six months, designed a fixture, manufactured a fixture just for the Barnes Wolfe trap. So I really think it was a great lighting design. But I think, more importantly, like the hard thing was actually making a product just for that application and building that out.

Speaker 2: 6:42

That's incredible. How did that feel when you won that award? How did that feel for you and your team to be recognized in that way?

Speaker 1: 6:47

It was nice because we got to bring in usually design awards are just design awards for the designer, but to bring in the engineering side of our team to say like we couldn't have done this without you, so it was from the manufacturing side to the design side, and bringing it all together and then being recognized for it was, that was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2: 7:05

That's awesome. Congratulations to that. I want to ask what are you doing for marketing to get the name out there, about what you're able to do with light and the jobs that you've been able to make and create for people in their homes and their spaces? What's working for you, what's not? Are you online a lot? Do you go to networking events?

Speaker 1: 7:25

I don't do a lot of networking events. A lot of people do lighting like the pool guy does lighting, the deck guy, everybody their landscaper puts in lights and there's a whole different feel to somebody throwing some path lights in and calling it lighting versus creating a scene with lighting. Most of our businesses are word of mouth at this point. We've been doing it for 26 years, so that's a great thing, but we try and do a lot of education online, so I found that the marketing completely shifted over the last five years. There are direct mails, different sources like that that we had sent just to you know, people we thought might be interested, that dropped off. But then there's a larger platform for social media for more of the education, and our feeling is if we can educate customers on what they're looking for in lighting and be their source, then they see the value in what we're doing.

Speaker 2: 8:16

Yeah, and now talk to me about the team at Dayloom. How many people do you have on your team and how were you able to create a dream team?

Speaker 1: 8:26

Like was it easy to find.

Speaker 2: 8:27

Everybody Were there some challenges.

Speaker 1: 8:29

I think it's. It's been a lot of fun. So you know my, my operations manager, has been with me 23 years so he's been my right-hand man, my lead designer. I think the design side is the hardest thing to train up. So Andy Shoemake came on 15 years ago, spent five years on installations to start getting ready to learn design, because if you don't designers, if they don't understand how it's going to be installed, they design crazy ideas that you can't install. Uh, karen's been with me about 13 years. And then my installation team. I had a meeting with a business coach because that was the hardest group Once I got out of the field is to have other people that can deliver the quality that I expected and basically just came into paying people how I would want to be paid.

Speaker 1: 9:14

So my guys, they get a good base pay, they get benefits, they get everything like that. But then they get incentives If we get job done perfectly. They get it done on time. Customer gives a review. They get bonuses on each one of them. So we went from having a lot of guys to cutting it back to six installers that have been with me. I think the lease experience is three, four years with me, but my lead installer has been with me, I think, six, seven years, so they just know what they're doing and the operations manager can handle it. So it really is. In this area we need to have a living wage and something that they could make good money and invest, buy homes, do things like that, so this isn't a cheap area to live, and so when customers look at my company, buy homes, do things like that, so that's not a, this isn't a cheap area to live, and so when customers look at my company, they say you're more expensive.

Speaker 1: 9:59

And I say yeah. First, we're spending a lot more time on design, on drawings and renderings. You know we have four designers on our team that actually sit down on each project and walk through it. But then we pay our people well and we put in the best quality product. So I would rather you know apologize and say we are more expensive. But the reason is is we could put this in. It's going to look beautiful, it's going to last for 20, 30 years. So that's what we feel our customer, you know, prefers, and obviously there's a lot of people out there that just want to put something in and get it done and have some lighting. It lasts three years. That's just not what we decided to go for. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 10:34

No, I love that because one you have the quality that you're putting into everything and also you want to provide those livable wages and be competitive out there and sometimes I feel like that's going to build a great foundation with your team, because if you're just looking to cut corners and you don't kind of, so to speak, maybe give back to your team there, they'll feel that and they'll know that and they'll go somewhere else.

Speaker 2: 10:57

So I think that's a really smart way of looking at things and I think that's probably helped you in the long run too.

Speaker 1: 11:04

It does because the customers can. They can have someone like Josh. We had a customer recently that we installed a system 22 years ago and Josh goes out there and just says I was actually on the original install so I know where everything's at when. So often if you have a company put in a product, you go three years later, if they come back at all, the next technician has no idea what's going on. So just having that consistency, I think that's really helped our customer experience out tremendously and I think our people just have a vision and we try and put growth paths whether it's going into design or, you know, opening another location or how they could actually grow in the business as well.

Speaker 2: 11:43

I love that. That's awesome. And then let's see. I wanted to talk to you about sustainability. Sustainability is becoming increasingly important in design. How does Dayloom integrate sustainability and practices into its projects, and what steps are you taking to ensure environmental responsibility?

Speaker 1: 12:01

So there's a number of fronts on that. Number one is lighting. So light pollution is a big concern and so years ago I would get worried when someone would say aren't you polluting the sky? And over the years, just understanding, like looking at the photometrics, understanding what the light's doing, making certain that the light's hitting the object and getting absorbed by the object so that we're not putting light into the sky. And then I'm actually writing some of the code because there's a dark sky agency. But they don't go far enough because they only focus on light going up in the air, not reflectance. You know, if someone's putting a bright light onto travertine, it's going to reflect up into the sky brighter than there's light trespass. So I've worked with Reston Township Association, we've worked with Willowsford and we're writing a national guideline for HOAs.

Speaker 1: 12:50

I think some of the big parts of that is just controls, turning lights on and off, hiring lighting designers. You know we could provide light trespass studies so we could go through the scientific report to show exactly what the light's doing. And the biggest thing is nature needs to sleep and trees need to sleep. There's evergreens that'll actually die if you put too much light on it. It doesn't get that circadian rhythm. So that's why we educate our customers on control, so they could have the lights go on from dusk till 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock. They could have a button if, say, they want to let their dog out at 2 in the morning for five minutes and then turn it back off. So controls and automation are important.

Speaker 1: 13:28

And then on the fixture side, so much of the products put out there there's tons of solar lights that they're all full of batteries, they're all plastic, they go in the dump and you see thousands of them being sold and all of them have like a two-year lifespan. So many other products out there just aren't built to last. So you're you know, in fact, some of the products are fully modular. So meaning, like, when something goes wrong with it, products are fully modular, meaning when something goes wrong with it, you have to throw the entire fixture away. So we built all of our lines to be serviceable. So you have a beautiful brass light, we can take it apart, change a component, put a new component in. And then this year, actually about 30 days ago, we announced our new initiative which is onshoring our products to America. So we've been working really hard with that, using the highest quality brass, aluminum, 316, stainless steel.

Speaker 1: 14:18

And one of the worst things for pollutants is the coatings that they put on most landscape lighting fixtures the electroplating. So in Danville we bought a PVD machine. It's the most environmentally friendly coating system and it lasts longer than everything else. So we could do custom coatings, make them beautiful, make them last a long time and they're better for the environment. So, on all aspects, we're looking at light, we're looking at sustainability of the product. Everything we have is fully recyclable, but our feeling is it should be of quality, that if we're going to do a design of this quality, it should last 20 years or 30 years, and so that gives the longevity, unlike so many products that people are just turning over and over again.

Speaker 2: 14:55

You've given this a lot of thought, because that's incredible, the many steps, and I'm sure at least I'm going to assume that maybe some of these things can be a challenge sometimes to get or pass or even get a hold of, and the fact that you're going to be doing it all here in America with the best quality.

Speaker 2: 15:13

that's incredible, and kudos to you for trying to make a difference, too, with our planet, because it does go through a lot of stuff and any way that we can help, I think that's incredible, and that you're doing that with your business is awesome. And one thing you mentioned that's sticking out in my head is I didn't know trees sleep.

Speaker 1: 15:28

I did not know that. Not all of them. Some plants actually do better with light on them. I was actually at Rensselaer Polytech Institute where my sons start enrolling Congratulations.

Speaker 2: 15:37

Thank you yeah.

Speaker 1: 15:38

And I met with the head of the engineer department and that was a huge study on just the pulsating of lights, how it affects plant growth, where some grow like crazy and others just die quickly a day or two, and so that was fascinating. But yes, there's some evergreens that don't. They just need darkness and I'm a huge proponent of just saying turn the lights off at midnight. You know and most of us don't live in a neighborhood Like there is a security aspect to lighting.

Speaker 1: 16:04

It is safer if you have good quality light without glare, that you could see more and people are less likely to burglarize or do anything like that. Most of the homes that we're working on don't necessarily need 24-hour security, but the ability to control motion sensors a lot of different things we could do to protect that and we also spend time trying to educate even the commercial side, the data centers in this area. A lot of their lighting is just causing tons of light pollution and so that's why we can't see the stars, and so we're trying to wake people up and bring that education into understanding where the light pollution like why can't we see the stars in downtown Leesburg or Fairfax? And it's just because there's so many large, powerful lights that have no glare control, glare shields going into the atmosphere, and there's ways we could control that and do much better.

Speaker 2: 16:57

That's awesome. I love that. I want to ask so, I guess, my in-laws. They have Alexa or whatever and they can tell their lights like, oh, alexa, turn off bedroom lights, or whatever, and they can change like the colors. Can you do that with yours too?

Speaker 1: 17:10

Alexa, turn off bedroom lights or whatever, and they can change the colors. Can you do that with yours too? Well, you can do. There's two things. One it's easy to have the controls to say, alexa, turn the lights off, segment it. I'm a huge proponent. I think permanent holiday lighting is the tackiest thing that you can put on your home.

Speaker 2: 17:25

Yes, I agree.

Speaker 1: 17:27

Most of the color-changing lighting is inappropriate for residential settings. It's great for you know the joke in our industry it's great for, like Chick-fil-A, strip clubs, whatever, but to put it on a home, it's soft-meric, it's inappropriate, it just isn't beautiful, because you're not going to take a beautiful oak tree with the 13 shades of brown going up the trunk and the six shades of green in the leaves and turn it purple and make it look better, and that's what you see is just a mixture of crazy lighting happening and it's gimmicky. It causes more glare A lot of times the different colors will saturate further and it could really be more of a nuisance to neighbors. So we believe in using premium quality 97, 98, 99 CRI a lot of light control, and typically we're. We believe in using premium quality 99, 97, 98, 99 cri a lot of light control and typically we're going softer.

Speaker 1: 18:15

That's as I've aged and learned more on lighting design and done more trainings. When we started off I was too bright and saw that and then just learning, like the softness and subtleness, like because your eyes adjust and when, when you're in the darkness and you have a little bit of light, you could really see it and so we don't need a lot of light typically to make landscaping and make feature focus, like statues, look beautiful. So that's what we focus on. But automation is simple. That's really easy, okay.

Speaker 2: 18:41

Awesome, nice. And then let's see. Let's talk about future trends. The landscape lighting industry is evolving with advancements in technology. What trends do you foresee shaping the future of lighting design, and how is Dayloom positioning itself to stay ahead?

Speaker 1: 18:57

Okay, so I think the biggest trend. First of all, a good friend of mine said why are we focusing so much on color light when we haven't perfected white light and LEDs transformed everything in lighting, but it's still not as good of a light source as halogen was. Halogen was almost a perfect light source. Leds now. Our industry averages about 82 CRI, which is just how many colors you see under noon day sun out of a hundred.

Speaker 1: 19:23

It was a simple explanation, but you know we're focusing on 99 CRI. We're trying to get that color spectrum really alleviate that blue spike that you see in lights, to get that perfect light. And then our whole focus has been on lighting training. So every year we've had an event down in Danville where we train lighting designers. People come in from all over. Last year we had four designers come in from New York, california, greece and myself, all training on lighting design. So I think that's the most important thing.

Speaker 1: 19:53

A lot of times you see the trends like cafe lights, bistro lights, color changing lights. You know walking by a light and it flips on for a second, goes off Like typically those are more gimmicky. And the beauty is when you could take something you know like a statue and you know in photography you might have a three to one ratio where you're lighting one side of the face brighter than the other and you're paying attention to those nuances and details. Same with the tree, where we're fully lighting the tree, the light doesn't go past the canopy but you get the full beauty of it and then really controlling what the eye sees. So we could take away the distractions and really produce beautiful scenes. And I think that's the first part. After that, the controls are second, which is, you know, for the most part, turning some lights off.

Speaker 2: 20:40

Yes.

Speaker 1: 20:41

So everything could go dark. I think if those two things are done, the trends of you know the thousand, every neighbor having cafe lights which just put their omnidirectional lights and they go in, you know they bother every neighbor when they go on. Or the roofline Christmas lights and things like that. Or permanent holiday lights I look at those as fads and they just kind of come and go. But what's going to last-.

Speaker 2: 21:04

Be timeless.

Speaker 1: 21:05

Yeah, what's timeless is beautiful lighting design and I can look at a lighting designer like Jan Moyer from the 1980s and she did the Chicago Botanical Gardens and just see the beauty and what her eye was picking up and what she was creating of botanical gardens and just see the beauty and what her eye was picking up and what she was creating. And so much advancement has happened with great lighting designers to really bring up beauty. And the light doesn't actually make the beauty, it's what we're lighting up.

Speaker 2: 21:29

Yeah, I love that and just how you craft it, because if you don't craft it well, you won't be able to see it, and sometimes I feel like a lot of people miss those details. They're just like it looks so beautiful in here, but I don't know why it's the lighting, and if it wasn't, it would change everything completely, I feel. So that's awesome.

Speaker 1: 21:46

It does. I had a customer worked at the Pentagon, had a real tough job, and he said my wife called me up and said let's just have dinner. And so they met at a restaurant and he said, instantly I sat back, unloosed my tie and he's like feeling comfortable. And he said why do I feel comfortable? And she said it's the lighting. And he literally called me and was like it's the lighting, it's always been the lighting and shock. We see it in theatrical productions where the lighting creates, you know, more of a character than a lot of the actors. It sets the mood. It could be intense, it could cause anxiety, it could be soft and subtle, it could be eerie. I mean, there's so much you could do with lighting and I think as humans we communicate through emotionally, through lighting. Yeah, little children don't like to sit in the dark.

Speaker 2: 22:24

No.

Speaker 1: 22:25

If you're on your back porch and you're looking into dark woods, you're going to go inside much faster.

Speaker 2: 22:29

Yes.

Speaker 1: 22:30

And we've done that many times where we bring a customer out to a scene and they sit down and they look and they go this looks pretty. Then we turn it off how do you feel? And they go.

Speaker 2: 22:39

I don't know.

Speaker 1: 22:40

I want to go inside. This is scary and it's we don't like sitting there staring into darkness, but you know we need to look at it and do it responsibly and beautifully and absolutely.

Speaker 1: 23:06

And then build it so it lasts a long time. I agree, and in our conversation Is that where the hub is for lighting. What's going on over there? Project in Haymarket, Virginia, that won an award. It was one of the top 20 projects of the decade and so my wife called me up. She said you won the award, we won two of them. And I go, oh great. And she's like we're going to Greece. I'm like I don't want to go to Greece. What? Yeah, I didn't know Greece was a thing that everybody else wanted to go to. Yes, and so I went there and we accepted our award.

Speaker 1: 23:32

The number one project of the decade was the Acropolis and that was where I met Alpha Theory Deco and we were two of the very because it's theatrical lighting, it's architectural lighting, landscape lighting, so we're two of the very few outdoor lighting specialists and we just sat there talking. She actually took us through a tour of the Acropolis, a private tour, and just had a great time like really talking, talking about her designs. We became close friends. So she's come to our event the last three years in Danville.

Speaker 2: 24:01

Nice.

Speaker 1: 24:02

And she did the. What did she do? She did the Greek Olympics. That was the first time that lighting transformed the Olympic events. Oh my gosh, and her and I are working on a product line right now together, so there's a big connection there. We're trying to bring in artists landscape artists, lighting artists in Europe, in Canada, in America, and so one of the things we've been working on a lot is bringing all the different artists together more and more, so they have different techniques, different products, and so we want to use each other on that. Nice. But when we finally said last year I made the announcement we're going to Greece at our summit, so that's going to be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1: 24:42

We're starting off at the Acropolis and going from there, going to a couple islands and touring some of the scenes and the old relics that she's done there, so it should be a lot of fun.

Speaker 2: 24:50

That's awesome. What a change for him. I don't want to go to Greece. I to Greece. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to Greece, I love it, I love, I love the growth here.

Speaker 1: 24:55

Character development. I'm kidding.

Speaker 2: 24:57

And then is there anything that I have not touched on that perhaps you would like to get out there people to know about your business yourself, your company.

Speaker 1: 25:03

I think one of the like a lot of times we could see the awards. I think what most people don't realize is the manufacturing side that goes into it. You know where we spend a lot of time. I, just so time, I just so many of the big products out there just bought off the shelf and it's a large, a hundred million, $200 million corporation that are making lights. But they're not. They're made like you know, I'd say, the Samsung refrigerator or you know, not picking on a brand, but like you, go and spend five, $10,000 on a refrigerator and like, two years later the ice machine doesn't work, the technology doesn't work.

Speaker 1: 25:34

And that's what just frustrated me. It was the quality that was being made, you know, and for me it's the quality of light. First the quality, how you control the light, and then the casing, the beautiful casings that we could do on it. And I just thought I think we could do it better. And I never meant to get into that whole side of the business. I just kept trying to work with manufacturers and couldn't get what I wanted.

Speaker 1: 25:54

And eventually two friends of mine said let's just start a business doing it and hired engineers, built everything out and now we have one of the largest, fastest growing high quality landscape lighting fixtures out there, and our focus is really trying to keep things local as well. We love Virginia and so moving down to Danville a spot that needed jobs at the time so we're able to put our headquarters down there, hire people down there, nice, so that's an exciting thing and building that whole side of the business up. But I just have so much control because I control the product being made to the design, to the design of the installation, the service afterwards. So it's an unusual story but it's a lot of fun. For me it's my little dream world because I'm crazy passionate about lighting.

Speaker 2: 26:39

I can see that Now you oversee all of this. How do you find time to, I guess, make time for yourself and your family and doing the things that you like and going to Greece? What's the?

Speaker 1: 26:50

secret, Hiring good people and then I'm very busy but I try and make. We're opening up in Canada in two weeks, what so?

Speaker 2: 26:59

Congratulations, hello Wow.

Speaker 1: 27:01

And but to do something. When my son graduated Friday, saturday morning we jumped on a plane, we went up to Canada, did some meetings there and then said let's do three days fishing. So it's like cutting time out to have with the family and carving that and making that a priority and then trying to set some boundaries. Usually they're a Friday afternoon. I'll just take off and be at home. So I'll try and do that because otherwise you could just eat up the schedule with different things going on.

Speaker 2: 27:28

Okay, Awesome. So that's the secret, I guess just balancing it and making sure that you always need time. Yeah, I know it's different for everybody and everybody. Their industries have different demands. Some people maybe don't have that. Those workers they can rely on that team. So it just it really depends. But I always like hearing how everybody's making their passions work. So my final question is going to be do you have a quote, a saying or a mantra that you like to live your life by, and, if so, what is it?

Speaker 1: 27:57

I don't know if I necessarily have a quote that I live my life by. I believe in walking with humility, because it's so easy to get egotistical and full of ourselves.

Speaker 1: 28:07

We see it a lot in the art industry, and I think just treating people well is the most important thing. You don't have to have a good memory which I don't have a great memory, if you're honest, so I think that's important and surround yourself around people that have the same values, and so I think that's you know really how we try and run our business and our lives is just like try and be good, try and be nice. Do our best at whatever we're doing and try and do it as well as we can and better than everybody else. Yes, that's all we're focused on is trying to do things with excellence.

Speaker 2: 28:44

I love it. Well said Well. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast and sharing about Dayloom, sharing about some of the accolades you've been able to achieve and what you've got in the works. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1: 28:54

Thank you for having me.