Speaker 1 0:30

My name is Diana Valle, my firm is called the Valle Law Firm and I focus mainly on three areas consumer, bankruptcy and family law.

Speaker 2 0:39

Wonderful, and can you give us a little bit of a brief history about yourself and how you got into law?

Speaker 1 0:46

Sure. So a brief history, okay. Well, let me think how to make it brief. So what got me interested? Initially I wanted to be a detective because I like investigating. But then in college I was told I had to be a police officer first and I could never see myself as a police officer. I just don't feel like I'm physically intimidating enough. So then I was thinking about what do I do? I knew I wanted to do something. I was a criminal justice major so I was in that field. I wasn't sure if I wanted to do anything in the criminal field, but I liked investigating. So at that point I just went to work for a firm doing intellectual property as a legal assistant and something just told me just go for law school, because I found it quite intimidating at first. I did take a class in college. It was a prosecutor taught it and it was probably the most difficult class in criminology. Not that it's a very difficult major, but it was the most difficult one. So I was thinking I'm a very abstract person, very artistic, so I thought, how am I going to be analytical? It just seemed like it wasn't part of who I was. But I just went for it. I took the LSATs and then I went to law school.

Speaker 1 1:59

What I think I found more interesting about the law was going into court. Because let's backtrack a little bit when I was 17, I did shadow and attorney as part of a high school program and when we went into the courtroom it sort of was like this halo thing, like kind of had I don't want to say heaven opening up at that. Oh, when I walked into the court and I was like I like being here, so that was sort of like a reference in the back of my mind with the law thing. And then going into law school, it was a little bit difficult actually studying and focusing on the aspect like the books and stuff like that. But the practice of it, like going into court anytime I was in a courtroom, I felt very comfortable.

From Detective Dreams to Law School

Speaker 1 2:41

So I'm not sure how that works because you do have to do the reading and the writing and that was probably not not where my like passions really like were. It was more in the performance of it. But you know, eventually practice and practice. I found out that being passionate about an argument and writing is actually is is just as interesting when you're really passionate about it. So, um, so yeah, that's kind of how I got interested in it. And then I had a bankruptcy professor. I didn't really find I had, you know, no interest in bankruptcy or nobody really told me, hey, bankruptcy is interesting. But I just took the class and I got into bankruptcy. I found it interesting because you're, it's kind of challenging, it's very complicated and sometimes you're you do have to go to court. So that's kind of how I that's kind of how I got into the law?

Speaker 2 3:32

Yeah, that's awesome. Now you've had quite the little journey there, especially at 17, shadowing, yeah.

Speaker 1 3:37

It was just, you know, I think in high school, I don't know. They just said oh, do you want? I really forgot what it was. It was some kind of job program, but it wasn't really like I shadowed him a bunch of times, it was just one time One time, still that's.

Speaker 2 4:01

I don't even know how it came up. Maybe I was, was I taking a law class in high school, or something like that? But anyways, yeah, maybe I love it. And then, um, now, what inspired you to establish um, your law firm, and how was your personal background influenced?

Speaker 1 4:07

to having your own firm. So I realized that I wasn't really sure if I wanted to. I guess when you're in law school you're either. There's like a. I guess the most popular path are people trying to go to a big firm and make partner. I just didn't. I know that's what everybody else wanted to do and it's very competitive. I just didn't really feel that. I didn't feel like I wanted. I felt like I wasn't really going to have creative control and, being a sort of artistic person, in my core, I like to create. So I felt like I'm not really going to. You know, I feel like I'm going to be a somebody's slave.

Speaker 2 4:45

Oh, you know, I don't want that. You know, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 4:48

So you know. So I just decided I'm just going to go and do my own practice. And what I did was I shadow. Well, I didn't shadow, I cold called because I wanted to get bankruptcy experience. I found bankruptcy lawyers like solo practitioners and I said do you need anybody? Do you need anybody? And somebody was like sure, uh, this, uh, he's already passed, rest in peace.

Speaker 1 5:10

but but, uh, yeah, he's like okay, come in. He gave me a math test so it's kind of he was from Puerto Rico and he's like he's like okay, yeah, I liked the initiative you took and so I learned a bit of bankruptcy and he was it was just him in a paralegal. So I think that was like, oh okay, I could just. I learned some bankruptcy, I could go out, file bankruptcies and I just kind of made it very simple in my mind but it wasn't. It wasn't simple like running a business. But that's kind of where I realized I just want to do this like on my own, I don't want to work for anybody else.

Speaker 2 5:41

I love that. I love that you like strive for that and got to that point. And I think it's awesome that at a young age you also were just like going out there trying to find someone, like hey, could you use somebody? I would love the fact that he took a chance on you too, and you're new. I think that's awesome.

Speaker 1 5:56

Yeah, and I just felt sort of like my personality didn't really fit. And this is kind of funny. I kind of felt like like Reese Witherspoon from Legally Blonde I love that movie yeah, and not that I was all chippy like her, but I was very how should I say? I wasn't like Not the standard lawyer type, right, right, I wasn't going into law school with this calculated plan of this, this, I'm going to do this, this, and that I was just there to just kind of have the experience and and and learn, as I mean, as best as I could, yeah. But yeah, I don't know, it was sort of that. It was sort of I don't know.

Speaker 1 6:34

I just felt this disconnect. It was probably a different environment, probably not having a lot of confidence with people. That was probably the bigger issue, which is weird. In court I had no issue, but when I had to negotiate with students, I was like I couldn't, I didn't have the confidence. It was really really weird. That is a little weird, yeah, because people go to court and they're like really scared and I was like nothing, just natural to me, confident, yeah. So I don't know, but I think I had to work on that.

Speaker 1 7:00

Yeah, it comes with time and the territory you know, so just keep going, but yeah, that's kind of, that's kind of yeah, that's how I sort of felt, like I was on my own little island, but you know, it's kind of it's hard, you know kind of paving your own path, but I think in the long run it's more fulfilling because you're doing what's true to you.

Speaker 1 7:25

Yes, absolutely and you get to call the shots. So that's exactly right. It takes a while. I didn't just. It took like in 2020 is when it sort of took off, okay. So before that I was doing other things to earn income and I worked with another attorney, sandra Guzman.

Speaker 2 7:41

Yeah, shout out, sandra.

Speaker 1 7:43

Yeah, so she. You know I learned a lot from her with the family law actually.

Speaker 2 7:47

I got most of my experience working with her.

Speaker 1 7:49

She's very, you know, laid back, very similar to my personality, not very high strung, but you know, laid back very similar to my personality not very high strung, but you know very caring about her clients and a very effective attorney.

Speaker 2 8:04

So I love it, love that community you guys have together Right. And then your firm offers services in family law, bankruptcy, consumer protection and foreclosure defense. How do you integrate these diverse areas to provide holistic solutions for your clients?

Speaker 1 8:15

It's a kind of interesting. I didn't really plan, you know, these areas, like I never planned on getting into family law I was interested in well, I don't think it would have happened as a solo, but I like securities regulation. It's the only A I got in law school for some reason. You know, I was like, oh, I like this area, but anyways, I didn't plan these areas, they just kind of happened. And no, they do just happen to intersect because in divorce people may want to discharge things like their alimony but they can't.

Speaker 1 8:47

But I think most people already know this because of the internet. You Google something and you get a sort of like an answer. So I don't have people coming to me being clueless like, oh, I thought I could get rid of child support or not. That's a good thing, but but they just they do intersect because it can get a little complicated and it gets. It's a little fun because you get to be a little creative, creative with procedure. So consumer law is kind of its own thing.

Speaker 1 9:12

But yeah, the family law and the bankruptcy can actually actually intersect because sometimes, like I had a case, I was in a divorce and there was a bankruptcy and actually the divorce couldn't proceed and so it does intersect. It's very complicated but you know they do happen to intersect. It wasn't planned but I think it puts me in a very unique like a very niche. It gives me a niche because not a lot of people are bilingual and some people even say, you know, oh, I want a female attorney, and so that aspect, and then kind of knowing the bankruptcy, the family law, the consumer law, I find that combination not to be very common. Absolutely I like being very I like uniqueness. Absolutely I like being very I like uniqueness so that you know also adds to you know, I guess liking you know being where I am being satisfied with these areas.

Speaker 2 10:02

Yeah, I kind of feel like you like the challenge, though too right.

Speaker 1 10:04

I do. I constantly need challenges, because if I'm not, you know, you constantly, I think, need to grow and evolve. So if you don't, you're just stuck like and I couldn't.

Speaker 2 10:16

that's not fulfilling for me. Yeah, so I love that. And then um personalized care and bilingual support, as you mentioned, are key aspects of your practice. Can you share a story where this approach made a significant difference for a client of yours? Personalized, approach.

Speaker 1 10:29

Yeah, so it's sort of I always do a personalized approach, um, because it's just me. It's always actually personal, it's really just me right now. There is nobody else, so it can't. It can't be anything but personal, yeah, really. Yeah, I understand the question. It's like if you have staff answering the phone, how do you? But it's really, it's my number, it's my direct line or the intake line for people who want, like, a consultation, um, so it's pretty much always personal, love it.

Speaker 2 10:58

Yeah, have you ever thought about maybe expanding more than?

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Speaker 1 11:01

just you, I do. I think about expanding. It's just that I'm very working for a lot of people, for solo practitioners and just seeing that kind of coming and going, coming going, hiring, firing. I'm very selective and I believe you know it's not quick and I think you get the reward in the end to take your time to really bring people in, instead of just, oh, I need a warm body just to do this and that, no, no, no. So I want to grow, but I think you know it just needs to take time.

Speaker 1 11:36

Um, I have actually am training somebody right now and I think it's a pretty good find. So I have the support staff now that she's going to come in, probably to be permanent, and an attorney. You know, I probably imagine myself maybe boutique, small boutique, maybe no more than 10 attorneys, but I think it's just to me it's kind of an organic process and once my whole foundation is almost there, it's almost perfect, cause I'm like a perfectionist. I want it, you know, because when people come in, I need a system so they don't get lost and communication. It just starts to happen. I mean, I'm guilty of it. Sometimes you just don't have time to return a call. Uh, but I try, I even go out of like regular hours to return calls if I have to, because sometimes you just you just realize you know you don't want the quality to go down. So once, yeah, to expand, I just need to make sure the quality is going to be consistent. But I do, I do plan on that.

Speaker 2 12:34

Absolutely no, and I think that's that's awesome, because even though, like, it's good to set boundaries, it also shows your clients that you do care about them and you're like oh, I really appreciate you like taking the time to talk to me after hours. I'm really sorry, but I felt like I really needed to talk to you about this because it was scaring me or whatever the reason might be Right.

Speaker 1 12:52

And people just want to know you care and you haven't forgot about them. I mean, since law school they always said that you know, the biggest complaint people have, or the bar complaint, is no communication, because they think you don't care, you're forgotten about them and sometimes they're just a number.

Speaker 1 13:05

Yeah, it's not true. It's just we're so bogged down at least me, yeah. So yeah, I'll try to get back or I'll apologize, but I have methods of trying to assure there's communication, like a text messaging line. That's always helpful because if I'm on a phone call I can easily text, and so I try to. You know, I try to maintain the communication as best as I can.

Speaker 2 13:26

I know that's super important too, because, like nowadays, with like our phones and texting and social media, like if you don't like, respond like almost right away, like you've lost that person and that's just the way that our society is going with it.

Speaker 1 13:38

It does, and it's a little bit difficult because you can't always respond. Especially if you start to grow and get more clients, it becomes more difficult and a lot of administrative tasks end up taking so much time, so right. So then you realize, when you're actually running a business, the little things you didn't think about, even like if you get papers from people, just like, take the staples out, because you actually don't know how much time if I have to unstable things. You know little things like that, that you kind of, and I tell people that I communicate. You know, I don't really I don't think I've ever had anybody tell me oh, take the staples out, but I'll communicate the clients, by the way, hey, this will save you time. If you're going to give me paper copies, take the staples out.

Speaker 2 14:17

Yeah, I don't want them, just don't staple them, yeah.

Speaker 1 14:20

You know things like that. So I try to be as very upfront with people and even even the terms of representation, uh, cause I I know it's a business, you know for a lot of other professionals. But sometimes you know, for example, if you have to get out of a case because you know things didn't work out, it's usually financial reasons, because it's not cheap. It's like I don't like to do that. So I always, from the start, I like to, you know, talk to people about a financial plan because I don't like to, I don't like to like not finish a case. Yeah, it's just something internal to me. It may get in the way of of of business. You know just being business minded, but I'm not just business minded.

Speaker 2 15:02

So love it. And then let's see navigating chapter seven and chapter 13. Bankruptcy can be daunting. What common misconceptions do clients have and how do you guide them through these challenging processes?

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Speaker 1 15:17

So common misconceptions that people may have about bankruptcy is they may not understand or they may not know that they can keep property. I think sometimes they may think that you know, will they take I don't know, they'll take miscellaneous things of their personal property. But it's not true. I think it's just such a complicated field that I don't think people really actually know much about it other than what they read on the internet. And I mean you can get now with AI, you can get pretty good summaries. So I don't necessarily have people coming in to me clueless about things, but because it is very complicated, like AI is not going to give you You're specific, yeah, and I hope it never does, because you know you still need the practice of going into a courtroom and being in front of a judge and knowing that, oh, this, these cases turn out this way, like an AI is not really going to. You know, I don't know why I got into AI, but I think that's because people just go and Google things right?

Speaker 2 16:17

Yes, that's why.

Speaker 1 16:19

But yeah, no, normally it's hard for me to really say I think people just don't understand how complicated it can be and how useful it can be in some ways, because if you combine bankruptcy with maybe other areas of law sometimes I have I do miscellaneous areas, sometimes I defend people. I've gotten into defending, like little small time employers that have no clue about wage and labor laws and unfortunately, if you don't record your hours, your employees hours, there's firms that will like get those attorney's fees. They'll charge $500, $600 an hour and it's like, oh, you, you didn't, uh, you didn't uh, you don't have time records. And this person's like, oh, I work these amount of hours and it may not be true, but it and it's put clients in a bad situation. So you know, it's everybody's presumed to know the law, but we don't really know the law it's sort of this fiction.

Speaker 1 17:16

That's kind of. I mean, we don't want people to use that as an excuse no to, uh, you know, get an attorney and get some advice when you're getting into not that I do like employer stuff a lot, but I've gotten into that sometimes, I think almost because of the community a lot of things. A lot of times it's a language situation People who speak Spanish. They don't know who to trust, they feel like they don't know the system. So I sometimes get other areas because of that and I'll help if I can.

Speaker 2 17:51

Yeah, that's awesome, though, and one thing I liked about and I told Sandra this too, and now I'm going to tell you is that I think it's awesome that you guys have that bilingual touch to your business, because so many people, I feel can get so intimidated not knowing you know speaking English or reading it or understanding, and to have somebody that's advocating for you, that can help break down those processes and let you know like, hey, it's okay, because imagine not knowing the language and being like totally scared that you just need to file for bankruptcy. That can that alone can just be super scary.

Speaker 1 18:25

Right A lot of when you're asked to be about misconceptions. What comes more to my mind is misconceptions in divorce, like when you have a spouse and it's I'm not saying it's man or women. Sometimes there's a power imbalance and somebody's a little bit more controlling than the other, and if they don't know anything, they're like oh, my spouse told me this, that they can, they can keep everything, and they just tell them these ridiculous things. And I'm like, no, like relax, and sometimes I have to stop listening to your spouse, like listen to me. Yeah, because they're just, you know they've been married for who knows how long and so they're somehow. You know they've been married for who knows how long and so they're somehow, you know, listening or believing that, oh, this person's right and they. And so you have to reassure them. So that's what I actually find to be very common.

Speaker 1 19:13

I have to tell them these silly things that their spouse is saying absolutely not true, because that's how you know you get people signing things they shouldn't. Um, not that that happens a lot. I think people are getting smarter and they're calling oh, I don't know, my spouse gave me this. Should I sign it? And I like when I get those because I'm like you should or you shouldn't before. It's messy, because once you sign something, it's a little messy to get out of. Oh my goodness Right.

Speaker 2 19:34

That can be scary, though, because you don't know and you think that, oh, if you don't sign this, like you said with the misconceptions, like with divorce, like if you don't sign this, I'm going to take away so-and-so. And so it's good to call somebody and be like is it true that if I don't sign this, they're going to take away my kids? Like, should I sign? It's like no, absolutely not. They're just trying to scare and intimidate you so that's great Thanks for touching on that.

Speaker 2 19:56

In today's marketplace, consumer rights are crucial. Could you discuss a case where your advocacy led to a positive outcome? For a client facing unfair business practices.

Speaker 1 20:06

Yes, I remember one of those. So, as part of the challenge that I do I don't want to say that I know, but I have this notion it may just be my gut sense or intuition, as you call it that not a lot of attorneys are quick to appeal things because it is a lot of work and I don't even like I never even like writing that much. So I think it's more of the challenge for me and even though it's like, oh, I got to write this thing, it's just I've done quite a few appeals and I've gotten kind of the idea of it. Appealing something is great, I mean assuming that it's like legitimate. Yeah, so with the consumer question you were asking me, I had this case where this lady came to me.

Speaker 1 20:52

She had a car and there were mice in the car. Yeah, there were mice in the car and it's kind of complicated. I'll try to simplify it. But she said you know there's mice in the car, I didn't know there were mice in the car and it's kind of complicated, I'll try to simplify it. But she said you know there's mice in the car, I didn't know there were mice in the car and there's a smell, you know. So there was a smell, they cleaned the car and they were kind of rude with you know, rude with the situation, and so she lost trust. I think one of the employees like cursed at her husband I guess they were picking up the car, yeah and so at that point the relationship soured. So she came to me and the interesting situation about that is that I did not, it was not until trial, and so I had to go print a few documents that I actually found what won the case.

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Speaker 1 21:41

The whole preparation before was actually probably not going to win the case, because the issue is whether, see, with consumer protection, the thing about that that is crucial is that at that time that you are going into the transaction, you are, you are, um, some, there's some misrepresentation. You're induced, right, like, oh, this TV has this quality, oh, okay, so I'm going to buy it, like that, not that. Oh, I bought the TV, it is what it is, but then you deceive me about something later. I mean, it's usually at the time of the transaction, so, but then you deceive me about something later. I mean, it's usually at the time of the transaction, so, anyway, so the issue was and that person has to know, and so the issue was did they know that there were mice in there? Because who controls mice getting in the car? They may not have known because they were hidden, and so that's what it turned on.

Speaker 1 22:30

But it's interesting, when I was looking at documents, I looked at this document I hadn't seen before because they had sent me things. You know, there's a lot of little tricks that you know when you're litigating they're late producing documents and you've got to like push for it, so you have to definitely, you know, put the energy into kind of digging around, digging around and fighting it out and fighting for your client. So I've got these documents close to the trial and I was like, oh, I got to look at them before I go back. I think I had already. I was like half my case was in, the like had already passed, and so one of the documents had charged her for cleaning and it was a reconditioning fee. And I was like, what is that? And I just looked it up and I was like, oh, deep cleaning, all this, you know.

Speaker 1 23:15

And so what happened is that they had told her, yeah, we cleaned the car, we'll get rid of the smell. And then when she came, when they returned the car. There were still hairs there, so there were mice and all this. But this really turned on the fact that they charged her for a deep cleaning and they didn't really do the deep cleaning and the case was won on that. But the thing is it wasn't even over at that point. They appealed it and they thought that sometimes it's about wearing you out and wearing you down. But that doesn't work with me, you can't. I mean, I'm not saying I'm like some immortal thing, I just have a lot of conviction and tenacity. So, uh, good luck everybody. I'll keep it to myself, but we're on the podcast.

Speaker 2 23:57

So I'll just talk about it.

Speaker 1 23:59

Um, no. So then they appealed it and they try to negotiate. And I was like no, I'm not negotiating, like I know why you're doing this. You're trying to prolong this and wear my client down. I'm not mediating anything, you're going to pay me what is? Oh, I love that. And I mean I just said that to the mediator because they were asking do you want me to? I was like no, and we went to, did the appeal. I had to do the work and during all this time you know they have to pay my fees because in consumer protection the other side. So if they want to drag it out and they keep losing, that's more attorney's fees they have to pay. And they lost. They lost the argument, um, and they had to end up paying me more in attorney's fees than my client. Well, look at that.

Speaker 1 24:40

But it wasn't even over there. They lost the appeal and I was trying to collect and the lawyer wouldn't even come to court, the same lawyer. He had other lawyers come and the client wouldn't come to the fact that the point. They weren't even following the court orders, to the point I had to ask for the owner of the dealership to get a body attachment is like an arrest, sort of like get arrested okay, because, like, you're not even following the court orders to come to court so you could tell me what your assets are, since you're not paying this judgment. And it got to the point where I, you know, I filed an application. I said this is the owner, he has white hair, I described him probably in his fifties or whatever, and finally the lawyer called me. He was like all right, you won, thank you, yeah. So that was. You know, that was a long drawn out and I got to say it was fun.

Speaker 1 25:27

I enjoy these things. You like that.

Speaker 2 25:28

Yeah, I do, I like it. The smile on your face says it all I like it.

Speaker 1 25:32

So so I would say that's consumer case, that I remember, and there's a custody case too. That was a little bit outrageous, but it wasn't because of what happened with the other side.

Speaker 2 25:46

Okay, that's awesome. Thank you so much for sharing that. I never thought that it would be one about mice in a car, but it's okay, it turned out in favor of your client.

Speaker 1 25:56

Yeah, they still deceived her. They said, oh, we're going to clean this out, this smell. Even if the smell was coming from the mice, there was still hair there. Exactly, they still didn't do what they said they were going to do. And they charge her, like what is it? $1,295? $1,295.

Speaker 2 26:12

That is not a deep cleaning when there use their hair. Yeah.

Speaker 1 26:13

You're charging for that much and the hair is still there. So luckily something happened and I found the winning piece of evidence. Yeah, your tenacity.

Speaker 2 26:22

That's what happened. I love it, and is there anything that I have not touched on that perhaps you would just like to share with our audience, or your audience who will potentially hear this, whether it's about yourself, your business, something personal, your industry?

Speaker 1 26:38

I guess what I could say is I never really had a business background and I knew I really wanted to do this, because sometimes, you know, people are not happy with what they're doing and I want people to know that I do enjoy what I do. Sometimes, you know, there's a lot of admin stuff going on. I wish you know hopefully I get somebody to do that so I could focus more on on right, on cases and like learning about, like oh, what's going on with this, you know case or this aspect of the law, because the laws are changing. You know, especially, I don't know what's going to happen now.

Speaker 1 27:11

Yes, no comment but yes, I'm with there. But you know I started my own practice right out of law school. It didn't take off until 2020. But yeah, I guess I just want people to know that, even though you know I started in 2012, it really wasn't a functioning I don't want to say functioning business, but it wasn't like this, a full on business, full time thing where I was like getting clients on a consistent basis, you know, um until 2020. So it took about eight years, but even during those eight years, I would have never like close it up or anything like that.

Speaker 1 27:49

Um, the only time I think that I wasn't sure about what I was going to do was I was doing the law firm on the side and then I was doing something called document review. It's a lot of, it's very tedious work. It sounds like it, yeah, you're just looking at documents and it's not what you want to be doing. And so I was doing that. And then it was just I don't know. I had this moment where I thought maybe I'll just go be a brain surgeon I know it sounds disturbing and that's what I was going to go do.

Speaker 2 28:19

Wow, I was going to, I started taking classes Chemistry, yeah, I took chemistry.

Speaker 1 28:26

Then I got to organic chemistry, which is the most difficult class I've ever taken. Oh, I believe it. But I loved it, I learned it, I learned it and then I understood it. But then I just I met Sandra right, it's the one who referred me Sandra Guzman and I got into family law and then I couldn't do both. But you know, it was the only point where I said maybe I should do a career change because it's just not happening. Um, but other than that, like that doesn't mean that I don't, like I didn't want to do what I wanted to do, I just didn't want to do the doc review to have an income.

Speaker 1 29:00

But so, even though it ended up coming back to the firm in 2020, um, it started growing and it's something that I enjoy doing. You know, I, I really, I really do like where I am. I don't think being a doctor, I'd like the hospital stuff and the politics, so I'd have to deal with insurance companies. So I think, you know, between the doctor and the lawyer, I feel like I have more freedom as an attorney. If I want a case, if I want to be creative, I could take it on, if I want to appeal it, because I think you know, hey, you never know, maybe the court will disagree with what happened below, and so I don't think I would have that freedom as a doctor. Yeah, so I want people to know that I'm in the field, that I really do enjoy what I do, like to my core, yeah.

Speaker 2 29:50

So Thanks for sharing that. And where can people find you? Tell us your website, your phone number, instagram. All that good stuff.

Speaker 1 29:56

So my Instagram. I don't know the handle, I don't have it memorized, but it's ValleLawFirm V-A-L-L-E, l-a-w-f-i-r-m. You can Google that. Vallelawfirmcom is the website and there may be I don't know on YouTube what the handle is, it's fine. I'm sure on your website. Yeah, there's like a thing little icons, perfect.

Speaker 2 30:16

But yeah.

Speaker 1 30:18

And I practice in Maryland and DC.

Speaker 2 30:20

And she can also take on Spanish cases. She's bilingual, so check her out. Well, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

Speaker 1 30:28

Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 30:29

Absolutely Anytime.