Speaker 1: 0:30

My name is Prince Agumensa, I'm originally from Ghana and I'm the founder and CEO for Curious Studios at Atzi. We're a business that we give, like media services, to companies, organizations, and our role is to make sure that we're putting your business into visuals, that your client can see what you're doing. We try to document every project you're doing as a business owner. We try to sell your business through visuals and that's what we basically do. We also cover events, live events, pre-recorded events and all that. We do all those things, but our major focus is commercial videos and filmmaking.

Speaker 2: 1:08

Yeah, I also saw that you do some photography as well. Is that correct?

Speaker 1: 1:11

Yeah, we do photography, but all these ones are sub things we do with a, with a media, and it's not like a major thing. We do just sub things we do. We do photography for companies if they do come for the service, but our major thing is always like commercial videos and recorded videos, like putting them into short forms, selling all these videos and that's how we tell to sell the client ideas love it okay, I hit record.

Speaker 1: 1:41

Sorry, my assistant is not here, she's sick oh, okay so I just sometimes I'm like let me make sure it's okay, we'll cut this, it's fine anyway.

Speaker 2: 1:48

Um no, that is wonderful, and could you give me a little bit of a backstory about yourself? I know you are from ghana, so tell me your story, tell me your journey and how you got into the industry you're currently in.

Speaker 1: 1:59

Yeah, that's interesting. So in Ghana, I started this business in Ghana already and I was just growing up with a mindset of being a business person. I love business so much and my dad he's late, he died in 2017. But he was a businessman and he owned one of the biggest vegetarian restaurants in Ghana and I followed his footsteps. I followed him as a little boy wherever he goes on the TV, talking to clients and all that. I followed his footsteps and everybody thought I was going to be a chef.

Speaker 1: 2:34

Everybody thought I was going to be like my dad, but I had this skill in me that it was fire. I felt like I couldn't do our way without it. It was filmmaking, telling story in the form of visuals, script writing. I loved those things and so when I got to around the age of 15 years and people saw me going towards that direction, everybody was surprised, like, why are you going with this field? Your father has already left a legacy. Why don't you just follow that legacy? But you see, I felt like there's problems to solve and my dad has already solved the health problems with food in my country. So I don't think it's something I want to follow. I mean, other people can continue for it, and there are people like I have a sister who's already running that business already.

Speaker 1: 3:16

But my goal was to come out and make film, come out and tell stories and my childhood wasn't that a great experience and I wanted to tell films, make films to help solve child abuse, social abuse or any domestic violence. That was my biggest goal. So along that path, I decided to go into film school. I did four years in film school in Ghana and then, after film school, I made one film that was screened at a French embassy and that was a great short film that I think touched a lot of people's hearts. It was about domestic violence and child abuse, and so I decided to. I said, okay, this is good, like, let me just keep going. And I ended up coming here to the US to study filmmaking. So I had my master's in filmmaking at the New York Film Academy and after that I realized that I had more skills than filmmaking. So the idea was to come here study, go back to Ghana and build my studio, like make my business bigger. But after school here, events led to events. Yeah, one thing led to the other and I was getting so much to do here and then I ended up staying here and that is how come my business ended up establishing itself here.

Speaker 1: 4:37

It wasn't easy. It wasn't an easy journey at all. Like I went through a lot of unsung struggles. I went through struggles that if I tell you some of them, you're never going to believe them. But I always say I don't focus on the struggles. My greatest focus is to focus what is ahead of me. If we take a camera, we don't turn the camera around. If you want to focus something, you focus, you look straight and you focus it right. Yeah, you don't care about what is behind the camera. What you care about is what the camera is seeing. That's right and that is my goal right now. My past has kind of motivated me. It has made me stronger to be where I am today, and I think growth is not just about you. Growing growth is about looking back and see how far you have come yeah, oh, that is an incredible story.

Speaker 2: 5:21

I know you haven't told me like all the crazy stuff, but that is incredible, and the fact that your dad was a chef. Yeah, I love what you said, that maybe there's problems to be solved, solutions to be given, and you said your dad's already done that. You wanted to make your own legacy and your own path, and that path was in the film industry. Why is being an advocate and giving just what is the word visibility to domestic violence and all those issues so important to you?

Speaker 1: 5:53

It is very important to me because I feel like maybe, even though I was unfortunate to go through most of these things, I feel like I'm also fortunate to overcome these things. And most kids are not fortunate to get through that. When some of them get abused, when most kids get abused, they end up staying there. That becomes their home. They see abuse to be normal. They grow up and they see being abused as a normal thing. I didn't get to that point. I was able to come out of that shell, but I feel like how many kids are able to do that? Most kids are left in a very traumatic situation. So I feel like being an advocate for that, creating awareness, showing people the right way and the right way to handle kids I feel like that's the most important thing.

Speaker 1: 6:39

Most of the time, we've been focusing on the victims and I feel like that is okay, but let's focus on the abusers. Let's tackle them, let's go against them, let's fight them and not fight them in a violent way, but let's fight them by creating awareness of the damage they cause to these little ones. And so I decided to get through that point of view and look through that lens and say, hey, I think I'm going to address this man for handling this kid this way. The more I do that, the more they, because once you try to save the kid, the abuser may go away but keeps abusing people. That kid is safe. You have done your part of creating awareness to save that kid, but the abuser gets to live and harm other people.

Speaker 1: 7:21

So you tackle the main problem. The kids are not the problem. The kids are suffering from that problem. Yes, so we're tackling the main problem, which is the abuser himself. So that is why I have so much passion, so much passion to do that. But hey, sometimes you need money to tell these stories and that is why I opened this company and we're doing these commercials and all that for the Fun Ice Bar. But the absolute passion is telling stories. That is going to advocate for these kids.

Speaker 2: 7:51

Yeah, absolutely. I'd like to talk about some of the client spotlights and some of the awards that you've gotten. You've gotten the from what I've seen is the gwa awards. You came in second place for best gonorrhea award, which is incredible, thank you. And then you've also been in the uh benpali film festival, which is incredible ndiva women film. Tell me about what it felt like to be recognized and be awarded some of these things.

Speaker 1: 8:21

You know, awards are not my major focus. I don't care about whether I win an award. My greatest award is to see a child survive from child abuse. That's the greatest award I'm asking for.

Speaker 1: 8:32

But, however, along the path, we've got a lot of recognition in terms of awards and, like you said, all these awards that you've seen already are awards that were given to us based on visuals and storytelling, and that is a motivation for me, actually, that okay, at least my film is reaching somewhere, someone is seeing my film and recognizing it. But you see, whenever I get an award, whenever I get in informed to talk to people after the award ceremony, I always tell them the award is just an object for recognition. But there's one particular recognition that will always stay in my heart and will never leave is the recognition of these little ones, these kids, and that is the greatest award, like I said earlier. So, yes, all these are great awards and it just keeps me going and makes me feel like I'm on the right path.

Speaker 1: 9:17

I there was one award that we won. It came with cash and that money was invested into another film project. So I feel like the more we get these things these are financial support we get to be able to get into more projects and, like I said um early on, it's more about this little one. So it's it's just symbolisms of awards that we have, yeah, but I don't really much talk about them yeah, okay, I just wanted to highlight because sometimes maybe you don't want to highlight it, but yeah, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1: 9:47

I got nominated for one award in france and it was about the youngest entrepreneur and I told them I'm not interested in that, what? Yeah? So the nominator was like just take my name out of the nomination list in a very respectful way and it's just because I've also come to a level of oh, he's a kid, he's a young guy. I mean business-wise, how can a young guy be owning a business? That was one of the challenges I came up with. I faced all these challenges when I was trying to establish my business the disrespect and all that Not taking you seriously.

Speaker 1: 10:19

Yes, but to the look of where we are. And one thing I did and I think I can share this with everybody who's trying to start a business always try to change your circle, because once you change your circle it's a strong motivation for you to carry your business. I changed my circle. I started having friends that were far older than me, friends who own big, big business in the US, here, friends that actually know where they're going. So I had friends who were the age of 60 years, 50 years and older, and all these people are in my circle right now when we have a gathering and I'm amongst them.

Speaker 1: 10:52

That small boy age that's not, that's not matter anymore yeah so I think most of times, focusing on your circle also helps you to establish what you really want to establish, because if you continue to have your age met as your friends believe me or not you may not have reached to where you want to go, because both of you are in the same age group or age bracket and you're yet to see life. But the older people, they have the experience. Yeah, they know what they can get for you and you know what you can get from them, yes. So you always have to make sure you're in the right circle yeah, to be where you are yeah, that's.

Speaker 2: 11:26

that's a great piece of advice, actually, because sometimes, in order to broaden your horizons and get new perspectives, sometimes as younger people we tend like, oh, we just want to hang out with our age group, or like, oh, he's old or she's old, things like that. That's not cool. I want to be cool.

Speaker 1: 11:42

It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2: 11:43

A lot of these older people who have a lot of wisdom, experience, can pass along all that knowledge to you, right?

Speaker 1: 11:51

Yeah, they can, and you learn a lot from their experience. Believe me, I'm a living testament for that. So it's hard because sometimes, when it's time to have fun, that's where the problem is. But I don't care about fun, I care about a career path. That's my focus here.

Speaker 2: 12:06

Wow, I love that. How do you think that you got the way that you are? I know you talked about that. You've gone somewhat through the terrible things that you highlight about, like domestic abuse and how some people don't get out of that rut, which is unfortunate. How did you get this passion and how did you get this positivity and like entrepreneur mindset? Was this something your parents instilled in you? Did you read books? Or how did you get this way based on what you went through?

Speaker 1: 12:39

I think one. I'll give the biggest credit to my dad and he, like I said, he was an entrepreneur. He knows how to make money, he knows the right places to go to make money and his focus he told me. He once said to me hey, you see me going to all these places trying to make money and his focus he told me. He once said to me that, hey, you see me going to all these places trying to make money. My focus is not the money. You may think it does the money, but his focus is always trying to service, service people first, and then the money comes in.

Speaker 1: 13:07

So what actually made who I am today is because of, I think, the kind of parental coach I had, for my dad especially. My mom was very supportive as well, especially with the field I chose. And this is one problem we have facing in. I can speak for my country, not here, but for example, in Ghana. When a child wants to pursue a certain career, and especially in the arts field, they end up being not able to achieve this field. So, for example, like a child wants to be an artist, a painter or a musician or something, most parents block the chances of these kids and say I want you to be a doctor instead, I want you to be this instead. And at the end of the day, these kids will grow up and be living the dreams of their parents or the wishes of their parents, whereas their parents will be in the grave and they'll be suffering for their parents' decision.

Speaker 1: 14:00

My dad is in the grave right now and I'm not suffering for his decision. I'm taking responsibility for the decision I took and said hey, daddy, I want to become a filmmaker. And he said I'm going to support you towards that direction and that is the support I had. However, not every kid is going to get that. So I think, because my dad listened to me, my mom listened to me, it's where I am today.

Speaker 1: 14:23

Actually, initially they wanted me to become a doctor because I was good with science, but here I am today, like being a filmmaker. So I think that is what inspired me. Another thing that inspired me was myself. I always tell myself that I can be whatever I want to be in this world as long as I put my focus to it, and I think that is what has helped me to date. I've looked up to some business entrepreneurs, I've looked up to some successful people, and I think they always inspire me. I always say if you have been able to do it, I can also do it, and so I think that is what has inspired me to be where I am today.

Speaker 2: 14:55

Wow, that's incredible. Thank you for sharing that. As far as marketing goes for yourself as a business and with your own business, what do you like to do to get your name out there? Are you an avid social media user getting your name out there? Do you go to networking events?

Speaker 1: 15:10

Yeah. So for us, marketing has been something that has been natural to us. We are already into the marketing game and I always tell people who are starting business that when we come to marketing in business, I see people post on their status and say I have this friend, they're not supporting me with my business, they're not marketing my business for me, and all that, no way. You don't expect your friend to market your business. You don't expect your family. They didn't put you into that field, you chose that path. It's not their responsibility, it's not their. They're not obliged to do that. It's your choice.

Speaker 1: 15:45

And because I didn't put that friendship zone and say, hey, it's a must for a friend to market my business, I ended up learning things the hard way. I ended up learning things the hard way. I ended up learning how to market my business the hard way. I did it through networking, through word of mouth. One of the things that we did is more of cold callings. So we use all our venues for marketing and I have never relied on a friend or a family to market my business, because the moment you open that gate, then they also want something in return. They want you to give them free service. They want you to give them free productions, everything free. But I don't work like that. I work through the professional way, the strict way. So, whoever is watching this, my advice to you is that whenever you're starting a business, or if you have a business already, don't look at friends and family to market or promote your business for you. If they do, that is fine, but they are not obliged to do so.

Speaker 2: 16:38

Yeah, I love that. No, that's great You've learned so much, it seems, on your journey already, my goodness.

Speaker 1: 16:43

Yeah, it's true, the hard way yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:46

The only way, sometimes, right, I know, right, yeah. And then I would like to highlight a couple of things that you do that I saw on your website, just for anybody who's listening and hasn't had a chance to look For your video production, you do corporate type of work. You do a lot of promotional things documentaries, as you've said, event coverage, commercials, live streaming, what else? Films, which is incredible. And then for the photography side, I know you have products, photo shoots, event photography, editing, sound design for production, like just all kinds of things. Do you do all of this by yourself? Do you have a team? How does this work?

Speaker 1: 17:28

I was, once upon a time, the one-man band. I was the only one. I was the only one who used to do all these things, and it's okay. When you start in a business, it's going to happen. You're going to be the man with so many cups, you're going to be your own HR, you're going to be your own director, your own CEO, your own manager and everything. But at the end of the day, you should know that that is what you're signing up for. Once you put that in your mind, it's easy for you to start a business. So I was everything by myself, but along the way, when everything started falling into place, we ended up employing people and we have a team now, a huge team that we're working with right now, and some of the team are here. Some of them are in Ghana and some of them are in Uganda. We have different parts of the team, different parts of the world, and I think the reason why I'm working with most people, especially in Ghana and all that is because of the employment rate in Ghana.

Speaker 1: 18:24

It's very low and one of my greatest goals is to make sure that I raise that standard and make sure that I create more employment for people back in Ghana. And, like I said, everything I do, I try to use that to solve problems. So even as much as I'm tackling social issues, I'm solving people's business problem and creating all these things for them. I'm also trying to go down to the people back in Ghana and say, hey, this is what I have for you and this is what I'm offering to you. And when we make payments to them from here, that's because of the exchange currency rate. That's something good for them to be able to cater for them back in Ghana, and I think that has really helped most people that I'm working with, especially in Ghana. So, yeah, that's incredible.

Speaker 2: 19:02

I love that you're giving back to your community. Yeah, I think that sometimes it can be when you feel like, oh, how can I help, and the fact that you're able to is incredible. Like sometimes you probably think like, wow, I'm able to do this, this is such a goal.

Speaker 1: 19:16

See like there was a time I had a call we did a cold calling with one business here and the lady I think that we had a chance to speak to the CEO herself and when she answered the phone and she said the first thing she did we spoke about the plans we have to promote her business and the first thing she said was like she started crying on the phone and she said she has had a terrible year in business and she doesn't even know how the business is going to go anymore, whether she's going to continue or not. So it was very emotional and I told her okay, I'm going to talk to you. She was like she was thinking about the same thing I'm saying about her friends are not supporting her family, is not supporting her business and all that. And I said, hold on, I'm going to talk to you like a soldier, because the business is not a playground, it's a war front. So I'm going to talk to you like a soldier.

Speaker 1: 20:05

Okay, we're going to solve this today, we're going to have a meeting and all that. So I told her straightforward and said hey, these people are not the ones supposed to support your business, they are minding their business. You chose this path and you are already on the wall. From the moment you give up. You are not winning.

Speaker 2: 20:23

You are dying slowly.

Speaker 1: 20:25

And the only way to succeed in this entrepreneurship world is to understand the fact that this business, or this world, has no partnership. It's you alone on that road, and you are on a road leading to a place, and the place you're going to is where your customers are. And that road is not going to be a smooth road. It's going to be semi-smooth, rough, untied, and that's you are the only one. You're going to have workers follow you, but some of these workers will give up along the way on the road. Some will be thirsty, some will be dry, some will be tired and some will just fall off the road, but that shouldn't stop you from getting to your destination, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 21:08

After saying these words to her, she quickly stopped crying and booked a meeting with us. We had a meeting, we did a video, a commercial video for her and booked a meeting with us. We had a meeting, we did a video, a commercial video for her, and today she's doing good. So, like I said, that is what I want to see. I want to see people excited, I want to see people happy. When I see business doing bad, I want to step in and say, hey, this commercial plus this commercial can help your business, and that is what I love to do.

Speaker 2: 21:37

Well, that's incredible, man, and the way you said that about it being like a war zone and it's not a playground. It's not a playground.

Speaker 1: 21:45

You're a business person, I know it's not a playground at all. It's not easy. There might be days it's going to be dry season and then everything around us actually speaks to us. Nature speaks to us. Nature speaks to us, but we just maybe don't pay attention. When you look at these trees during the fall season, it's not the same thing during spring or winter. It keeps changing. It's never going to be brown forever. The trees are not going to be dry forever. There are times that are going to come. It's going to be green. So don't cut the tree down. Just make sure you're staying in the game. Yeah, just stay in the business. It's gonna be slow, but just stay in it. The time that's gonna come. We've had slow days before, but we didn't give up and we're here today gotta keep going, yeah we gotta keep going I love that.

Speaker 2: 22:25

And how did you come up with the name for your business? Do you have three studios, or what's the three, four?

Speaker 1: 22:29

that's. That's an interesting question, and when people ask me these questions it it's hard for me to give that information out, but I'm going to say it to you today, thank you. So Three is a very unique number for me, and one thing I've experienced in this entrepreneurship world is that there's always three dimensions in the business world. There is you, the CEO, or the founder, and, attached to your business, the name of it and everything as one. There is the consumer. That's the second, yeah, or your clients, and there's a third force. The third force is always the secrets of your business that nobody knows about, because everybody sees you and your business. Everybody sees your clients, your type of customers. We all see Apple. I see you holding an Apple phone, I see the Apple company itself, but I don't see the third force. There's always the invisible, unseen third force that is actually merging you and your clients together, and that third force is the strongest force in business. And so I combine all these three together and I call myself two studios and the third force.

Speaker 1: 23:48

I'm never going to tell you what my third force is. That's fine, but every business has a third force'm never going to tell you what my third force is. That's fine, but every business has a third force. Yeah, we don't see them, we just don't see them. They exist, they are the ones that actually run in the business behind doors. They're like the engine room you see the driver, you see the car, but you don't see the engine until you open it. Yeah, and that is what we all keep a secret in business. Yeah, so that is why it's called Three Studios.

Speaker 2: 24:12

Wow, thank you for sharing that. That's really cool. I was just like maybe it's symbolic or maybe he has Three Studios. I was curious.

Speaker 1: 24:19

No, we have more than Three Studios. Oh, wow, yeah we have more than Three Studios.

Speaker 2: 24:23

How many?

Speaker 1: 24:24

So right now we're trying to get one in addition in Uganda. That's our biggest goal right now. So we're getting there. It's a gradual step. It's a gradual step and not all of them are physical studios, some are virtual studios as well.

Speaker 2: 24:37

That's pretty cool. So we're getting there. Nice, we're getting there. I would like to ask you where do you see yourself in the next five years? I know we just started 2025, but where do? Where do you hope to be as a person and with your business?

Speaker 1: 24:48

I see myself here again Yay Telling you guys about our next biggest project maybe with the White House or something, but, in general, where I see myself in the next five years is spending most times with kids less privileged or even privileged regardless.

Speaker 1: 25:07

I see myself spending time with them. I see myself impacting knowledge to them. I see myself impacting knowledge to them. I see myself being like that father that my dad was, and I just want to be that symbolism of success to them that they're always going to look up to me and say, hey, this is the father of our kids and this is the father or this is a man that has been able to guide us or coached us to get to this point. I want to be that man that kids see me like that. So, regardless of whether it's my kids or someone else's kids or the world's kids and that's what I want to do Trust me, I can't do it for every kid in the world. You can't solve all the world's problems. It's impossible but I can do it for the people very close to me.

Speaker 2: 25:48

Yes.

Speaker 1: 25:48

And that is my greatest goal now In the next five years. I just want to see myself going around the world and supporting all these kids. That's beautiful. Fortunately, I'm in a good position right now because I work with multiple NGOs countless of them. They all came in especially at the beginning of last year. So last year was like an NGO season, where we had a lot of NGOs coming in for documentary services from us, and it was just something I never expected and I feel like it just sunk into whatever I wanted to be doing, because most of these NGOs are targeting kids, they are targeting mothers, and I feel like that is what I want to be doing.

Speaker 1: 26:28

I want to be supporting all these NGOs. I want to be part of their is what I want to be doing. I want to be supporting all these NGOs. I want to be part of their dreams. I want to be part of whatever they are chasing. Mind you, I'm not saying they came to me and I gave them free service. Of course, everything starts at cost, yes, but the whole goal or the whole dream is not to just cause them, but also be part of their story or their journey. Yeah, I wish I could mention some of their names, but I don't think it's the right thing to do. But we have had big NGOs in America here that we're working with at this moment.

Speaker 2: 26:53

Okay, that's incredible. That's so cool. I'm excited for you Thank you Speaking about the future. Is there anything, perhaps, that I have not touched on that you want to share with our listeners, whether it's in regards to your business, yourself advocating for people? Maybe you've got new products coming, anything at all?

Speaker 1: 27:11

yeah, I mean, I got stuff. Sometimes, unfortunately, I'm working with a big company now that I can't talk about what, what we're doing right now, or it's one of the biggest thing that, um, I feel like I'm doing right now personally. Um, even though I own my business, I do other works as well, for clients. Um, I work for other companies as well, as a full-time, a part-time, and all that in merging with my business. So I just want to tell people that, hey, it's not just about being an entrepreneur, it's about creating a business.

Speaker 1: 27:41

Let your business be your God in a way and have people serve that business. Have people serve that God in a way, and then focus on other things or other materials you can always bring back to help your God grow. The greater your God becomes, the greater service you're going to get from people. And when I say service from people, yes, business is meant to serve people. But also when you look at it in a vice versa way, we have services also coming from people for your business. When you look at apple, you buying an apple is like servicing them yes, and that is what people people always think.

Speaker 1: 28:19

Like apple is giving it the service. That's how they've made it look like yes but, indirectly. We are servicing them without us.

Speaker 1: 28:25

They are no more there yes and that is what I say in business, and I also say that whenever you're doing a business, you don't need permission to do a business. You don't need someone to tell you hey, start a business, look at Uber, look at all this Uber and all that. They don't ever seek permission from anybody. They saw the problem with taxi and they said, regardless of San Francisco's regulations, we're going to go into the business. I'm not supporting whatever they do, but I'm saying that whenever you want to achieve something, do it the right way. But you don't need any family endorsements. You don't need anybody to tell you what to do?

Speaker 1: 28:58

Just do it as long as you know what you're doing is very legit, go for it.

Speaker 2: 29:02

I love it. Yeah, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1: 29:05

Thank you.

Speaker 2: 29:05

My final question is do you have a quote or a mantra or a saying that you like to live your life by, or maybe something that somebody told you that you would like to share as a last message for our listeners?

Speaker 1: 29:17

Yes. So there are two things in investments or business and one of my philosophies is that it's either right or wrong. It's either successful or failure. So if you're getting into a business, there are two things You're going to fail or successful in it. And when you're putting money into your business, don't be scared. Put your money into it, because there are two things. It's that it's going to fail or succeed. Don't be skeptical about it. Go straight for it and put your money into it if you have to, if you believe in it, that's going to succeed. Do it. Don't be partial, don't like oh, maybe it will, or maybe it's not. No, it's going to either be successful or not. Yeah, so that is what I always believe in if I'm doing something. Is that going to go to the left or to the right? Believe me, like big companies have failed in certain things that you're doing.

Speaker 1: 30:09

Coca-cola introduced some products and it wasn't successful. They retrieved. Most companies will introduce products. It may not be the best of all. They will always take it back. They bring it to test the market. They put most investment in it. It's not going to be successful. They take it back.

Speaker 1: 30:25

There are businesses that have tried so many things that did not work, even though they are successful. The little ones they bought to add to it. It didn't work and they took it back. So it's okay to invest and try and test the markets. Don't be scared to invest money into your business, and that is what I've always been doing. I've learned from people that, whatever you're doing, make sure that you're putting everything to it, and investment is not just about money, it's about time. Some people are scared to quit their current job and start their business because they feel like they're living on paycheck to paycheck. The moment you're scared about it, forget about the business you want to start, because then you're going to live on paycheck to paycheck for the rest of your life. Yeah, I had to quit a job at a point in my life to start what I'm doing now and it was a dry season for me.

Speaker 1: 31:09

But if I didn't take that decision, if I didn't take that sacrifices, I don't think I'll be sitting at your studio today. So it's because we did take that sacrifices and that sacrifice you are taking is going to be a generational success for everybody around you. Like I'm saying right now, people back home in Ghana. We've created jobs for most of them and it's a success for them. Because I took that risk, I took that decision. So it's not an easy route, it's difficult, but you need to make that sacrifice.

Speaker 2: 31:35

I definitely resonate with what you say, because sometimes it can be a scary thing. It is. To like quit a job or like paycheck to paycheck. You have like so many things saying like no, don't do it Be rational, but sometimes you got to take that that's the only way you're going to get started and do it.

Speaker 1: 31:49

Yeah, I mean, it's not even difficult.

Speaker 1: 31:51

Paycheck to paycheck is nothing when you're living on invoice to invoice you realize that life is like unpredictable you never know when your next client is coming, but at the point it's going to come. You know when your next client is coming because you are now a seasonal worker with them. You know every March they are coming to you. Every September they are coming to you. You know about that. But the beginning is going to be rough. So for you to jump from paycheck to paycheck to there's one level that's paycheck to paycheck, invoice to invoice, and then it becomes now you giving people paycheck to paycheck. It's like an ecosystem, it goes round and then you now become the boss giving it up.

Speaker 1: 32:30

But you got to make the sacrifice. If you look at most of these successful people, they had to quit something. Some quit school, some quit their jobs, some even quit living Dang yeah, before they became successful. Yeah, I know people that they were starting a business. They died before their business became successful and their kids are benefiting from it. So it's not going to be easy. So many things can happen. But I always say in your mind always make sure you want to leave a legacy.

Speaker 2: 32:54

Absolutely Wise words there. Well, thank you so much for being on the podcast today and offering us a lot of insight and sharing your passion and the things that you're doing. We really appreciate that so much.

Speaker 1: 33:04

Thank you too.